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Kim Werker Blog: Twilight Saga: It Won’t Ruin Girls’ Lives, But I Sure Take Issue With It

  • knitgrrl · 1 year ago
    You know what books-meant-for-younger-readers I really like? The Wee Free Men by Terry Pratchett and its sequels Hat Full of Sky and Wintersmith. The central character, Tiffany Aching (who is 9, 11 and 13 as each novel comes out) is smart, strong and capable. She's brave. She's human. It's got good and bad and funny all in one, some scary bits, some comic relief...and sheep! (Sorry, had to throw that bit in, being pro-knitting and all).

    A funny quote, from the Wee Free Men Wikipedia page:

    Miss Tick sniffed. "You could say this advice is priceless," she said. "Are you listening?"
    "Yes," said Tiffany.
    "Good. Now...if you trust in yourself..."
    "Yes?"
    "...and believe in your dreams..."
    "Yes?"
    "...and follow your star..." Miss Tick went on.
    "Yes?"
    "...you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy. Good-bye."
  • Kim Werker · 1 year ago
    That's a fabulous piece of dialog, there. I'm going to check those books
    out!
  • knitgrrl · 1 year ago
    Oh, that was just an easy bit to cut and paste -- there's better. MUCH better. You start to realize how Pratchett could inspire something like the Pratchgan after you've read a few of his books:

    http://woolly-knit-bits.blogspot.com/2008/08/pr...
  • Blakely · 1 year ago
    Haha, firstly I just wanted to say that this amused me but in a good way.

    Now, being a teenager myself, it also made me chuckle when you said we're a "tough bunch." It's true, we are, but don't be so quick to think that we're so naive and so impressionable. We can be quite thick-headed and stubborn. I always say that an adult will never understand a teenager, even though they used to be one because once matured, the mind has a completely different way of processing information and such. It's science. But that's not at all what this is about.
    I agree, Meyer did a very poor job as developing Bella as a character. I think this is mostly because Bella was mainly developed in Twilight, and being Meyer's first book she wasn't as experienced or as learned in her writing as in the other books. I'm like you, when I read fiction I just read. I don't look for real deeper meaning, I read to enjoy the story line. In this case, an epic romance. I didn't get a good look at Bella until I read Meyer's rough, unfinished draft of Midnight Sun (which is Twilight, except from Edward's point of view). After reading Twilight for the second time, I began to see what Meyer was subtly trying to tell us about Bella. Everything that Edward simply told us about her in Midnight Sun.
    This is where I start to disagree with you. Bella Swan is a completely selfless person. This is true waayy before she becomes a mother herself. Look at her relationship with her mother, it's as if the two have switched roles, Bella is mom and her mother is daughter. Even tho he is a grown man, she hates leaving Charlie (her Dad) to find dinner for himself. She puts everyone before herself and from a feminist's point of view, I can see how this would be looked down upon but I don't think this is a bad trait for anyone to have. Then, Bella is particularly courageous. If you found out there was a coven of vampires living in your town, wouldn't you be a little scared? (I think everyone wants to say no because who wouldn't want Edward Cullen to fall in love with them=]?) Yes, it would be terrifying. She never seems to feel fear at the right moments and sometimes she makes herself look stupid and reckless but mostly it makes her look strong.
    I'm going to try to wrap this up and still say everything that I want to get in...consequently, I don't think Bella is confused, weak or a bad character to have as a role model. She is in love and most everyone would do anything for the one that they love. She's not confused, she knows exactly what she wants throughout the whole entire saga, Edward, and she fought for him from day one. I found Bella to be a particularly strong individual; I just had to dig a little deeper to find it.

    And then back to us darn teenage girls. All we really need is someone to give us that silly little look, remind us that the book is about VAMPIRES AND WEREWOLVES and that it's never gonna happen no matter how often we fantasize about Jacob Black or Edward Cullen.
    At the end of the day, I adore the Twilight saga because I love to read about the love.
  • Kim Werker · 1 year ago
    You rock.

    I did definitely see those traits in Bella throughout the books
    (unfortunately, as you point out, those were some of the *only* traits Bella
    displays, since she just wasn't developed very well). You're right, I take
    issue with Bella putting everyone ahead of herself all the time.
    Selflessness is certainly an admirable trait, but you could also take the
    perspective that she gave her life, too, and that's just extreme beyond
    reason. (I don't really read it that way, though. [Except for a little.] But
    I do read her decisions to have been hasty and in some cases blindly
    irresponsible. I'm a romantic, so I don't think it's cynicism that makes me
    have the adult perspective that teen love is *first* love—which means that
    other, different, often better loves can come later. Loves that make room
    for other things, like interests outside of the object of that love. It
    might be a very non-adolescent view of things. :) Also, my romanticism is
    far more satisfied when teens are passionate about themselves than when
    they're passionate about someone else.)

    But like I said in the end, we must all give teens more credit than we might
    be inclined to give at first. You prove that point, eh? If I'd read these
    books as a teenager, I likely would have felt the same way. I would have
    loved the story, and Edward and Jacob, and I would have dreamed about them.
    And I likely would have simply replaced Bella with myself in those dreams.
    Which means she would have been a green-eyed, poorly dressed,
    ultra-stubborn, headstrong kid who likely would have forced Edward to wait
    till she was thirty.
  • Tiffany · 1 year ago
    Thank you for putting into words what has bothered me about the Twilight series. Bella is one-dimensional and not a modern character. What is interesting though, is that in talking to girls in my classes who have read the series, I've discovered that they focus more on the characters of Edward and Jacob. Very few of them actually like Bella or respect her. Teenagers are a tough bunch. They have grown up in a world where their mothers work outside the home and many do it to retain an aspect of their self, to have something that defines them as a human being outside of just being a mother.
  • LisaBurrito · 1 year ago
    I haven't read the books but risked spoilerage and read on to see what got you so angry... and I imagine I'd be boiling mad about such a lame character too. (Sounds like Meyer needs to have a long lecture from Joss about writing strong female characters.)

    The no-sex-until marriage rule leading to marriage-so-we-can-have-sex seemed to be a popular plotline on 7th Heaven (which I've seen sporadically and and yet most of the episodes I saw were along this theme). I mean, that whole show was really about how you should wait until you are married to have sex and then showcases all the various ways in which you will have a lousy marriage if you marry to have sex. I'm not exactly sure what the moral of that show was supposed to be but it was all kinds of messed up.

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  • Carrie · 1 year ago
    I just finished Breaking Dawn last night. There was one passage especially that bothered me re: needing to be married before sex, where Bella was having one of her anxious thought rambles, and she thinks, o, how do people do this without the fabulous commitment that I clearly have from Edward? it just seemed so heavy handed!
  • Kim Werker · 1 year ago
    Stephenie Meyer addresses some frequently raised issues with Breaking Dawn on her site. I'm fairly convinced she didn't have an agenda. I think it's just the status quo in her life that led to these issues. It's like she didn't take a step back to examine how she could make her characters and storyline kick ass in an inspiring way. She just accepted them at first pass. It's too bad.
  • Jenny · 1 year ago
    Thank you, thank you, thank you.
  • Brenna · 1 year ago
    Hey, Kim. In this interview: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20049578,00.html check out her answer under "Was that because of your religion..." I think a lot of her Mormon ideals shine through Bella's character.

    I think I smirked too when Edward puts his foot down about sex before marriage.
  • kelly · 1 year ago
    after discussing the issue seriously with my friends, we decided that the entire fourth twilight book read like a horrid fanfic. bella is strong in her loving and balancing, but it's true that we don't see her as a role model, except as in dealing with boys who have issues. in terms of edward and jacob as characters, meyer did such a thorough job of ruining the best characters she created that the only choice left to us teen girls is either to ignore the bits we don't like, or go with seth, who is perhaps the only cute supernatural male in the whole book who isn't a big fat jerk or taken.

    in regards to terry pratchett, i liked his books for adults even better. my favorite is Going Postal. the great thing about the series is you can read it in almost any order at all, then go back and read it again. it's nonlinear and therefore you gain something new every time you reread the series.
  • Marikka · 1 year ago
    Horrid fanfic, yes!
  • Lauren · 1 year ago
    As a true twilight fan i think this is the most insulting article i have ever read.
    There were a few things i didnt like about the books but not as much as i didnt like about this article.
    I think Bella's a great role model and represents a teenage girl perfectly in her decisions and her personality.
    Stephenie Meyer did a great job on the series and i cant wait for her future work.
    And as a teenage girl myself i think we know that theres no one out in the world as perfect as Edward Cullen, hes a fictional character.
  • Bloodyadultshavenoclue · 1 year ago
    Teenage girls have lots of pressures to deal with these days beeing seen a as sexual objects by males .I think these books are great in the fact that Bella wasnt the one being pressured into sex she had time to decide if it was really worth it .She did get married to have sex but then again she loved him and probly would have wanted to if it wasnt for the triteness of teenage marrige :D
  • Marikka · 1 year ago
    If I let myself get started, I'll go on for ages, so aside from agreeing with Kelly that Breaking Dawn read like horrid fanfic, all I can say is that I hated it. I don't hate the series because of it, but I am also on my way towards forgetting that Breaking Dawn exists. I'm going to drown my sorrows over character betrayals and hideous plot points in something I'm sure I'll like. I'm thinking either a Kelly Link short story collection or The Perks of Being a Wallflower. But from here on out for me, the Twilight series ends at Eclipse.
  • esmeralda · 1 year ago
    I llllove Twilight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Heather · 1 year ago
    I really enjoyed the saga and felt that some of Bella have been more evolved there were a lot of unasnwered questions. But I did not feel that she was not a strong character or that she was an anti femenist. She is called an old soul in the book. Also, there were many parallels to the classics which influenced her to be a more traditional female character. I dont think that teenagers are as impressionable as people think nor do I feel that they will read a vampire romance and beleive thats how life is.
  • Crystal · 1 year ago
    excuse me this isn't stephenie meyers firsst book have you ever read the host. if you did she wrote that duh posers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Kim Werker · 1 year ago
    Yeah, she wrote The Host after Twilight.
  • pixie · 1 year ago
    Like you I liked the first book best and as I read each book I simply got angrier and angrier. I did not read the 4th one, I djdn't feel like paying for it.

    If you want to read really fantastic teetn vampire fiction, read this (which in my view twilight doesn't hold a candle too and would have made a far better movie).

    http://www.amazon.com/Vampire-Diaries-Awakening...

    In fact it's funny there is a review on the page titled:
    What Twilight Wishes it Could Be, September 6, 2008

    haha

    If you want you can get them even cheaper by finding the older printed versions. I've had to re-buy them on amazon about once every 4 or 5 years because I loose or damage them from re-reading.

    There is a amazon preview and you can read some of the book first too.

    For me the neatest part about twilight was the concept of vampires that don't kill, try to live amungst people (try to be human) and that sort of fight.. I liked that. I could have done with out everything else.
  • Kim Werker · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the recommendation! I'll have to check it out the next time I
    need some teen vampire fic. Which I'm sure will be pretty soon. :)
  • Diane Miller · 1 year ago
    As a mom dealing with a teenager who believes that is ok to see reality as whatever feels good do it. I was excited as I continued to read the entire series. I felt that this was a safe series for girls who have much more to deal with in their life than people spouting horrific. I felt like the books touched on each avenue of a writers dream to expound to different medias. You can't believe that a young girl isn't going to be torn between what her family sees as right and what she feels in her heart. I thought the morality in these books overshadowed the gore that happened in the last novel. Have you seen what Hollywood claims as PG-13
  • Jessica · 3 months ago
    It really pisses you off that girls may be influenced to act feminine instead of all macho and place more value in kids and their family for a change, doesn't it? ROFL.
  • April · 2 months ago
    What the hell does acting "feminine instead of all macho" mean?
  • Mechelle Fogelsong · 1 month ago
    What bothered me most about the series was the whole perfect-body-for-eternity thing. Doesn't that bother you? When teenage girls whose bodies are nearly perfect anyway are asking their parents for a boob job as a graduation present, the last thing we need are YA authors who promote this way of thinking.

    We learn through literature. Young impressional minds learn through vampire sagas, I guess.

    That's why I felt deeply disappointed when Meyer made Bella into a vampire. I realize, it was the only outcome that offered a happy ending, as far as her invented world is concerned; however, it sends the message that the truly beautiful are young-looking forever. And that's just not REAL. I mean, why is it so bad to grow old? To let one's body (and one's looks) take the natural course that god/nature intended? What ever happened to the days when grey hair had a beauty of its own, since grey hair = wisdom?

    I'd much rather befriend Grandma Mazur (Janet Evanovich) than Alice Cullen, whether she wants to suck my blood or not. I mean honestly. A closet full of fancy clothes from France? Get real. Take me to WalMart with Grandma Mazur, and I'm good.
  • Kim Werker · 2 weeks ago
    I love learning about which aspects of these books most upset people. I'm
    certainly bothered by perfect-body crap, and I'm very sensitive to the
    issues teens (and adults) struggle with when it comes to body image. But it
    flew under my radar when reading these books.

    Don't get me wrong, I totally see it now that you mention it. I suppose I
    was too distracted by the multitude of other things that angered me as I
    read.
  • Sterling · 2 weeks ago
    Alright, I read half of these reviews before getting big time pissed off. People that believe that teenage boys are FORCING and PRESSURING girls into sexuality or that only see girls as sexual objects, or that believe that girls are perfect and innocent little creatures to be led astray by boys are IDIOTS. I'm sorry, but I've been there, and I have NEVER met a guy that puts himself before his partner - even when the partner is simply sexual. Society is perpetuating the "morality" myth that places value on women's virginity and purity and makes men out to be chauvanistic pigs. So yes, cheers to Meyer for making Bella the one that wanted to get Edward into bed.
    That said, there were some serious other issues. Not that it's bad in any way for someone to desire motherhood, but the focus on it irritates me. As a young woman, my decision to have permanent surgical birth control was met with widespread horror amongst women that simply couldn't understand not wanting children. And to the reviewer that implied motherhood is the same as femininity, please take note of the fact that my bedroom is a "french boudoir" and I spend most of my time at home in silky pyjamas and pom-pom mules. I do not have to give up my feminism to be feminine, I do not have give birth to be feminine, and I do *NOT* have to have children, a spouse, or my virginity to have value.
    My apologies, that did turn into a feminist rant. Meyer should've stopped at Twilight, in my opinion, and the movie franchise didn't help the reputation.
  • Kim Werker · 2 weeks ago
    I agree with you about the sexuality in the book. I don't at all think this
    book portrayed a teen boy pressuring a teen girl to have sex; indeed, the
    openness with which Bella and Edward talk about sex, and during which she
    indicates her desire to have sex with him, is totally refreshing in a YA
    book.

    It's all the other stuff that made me nuts.